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Cold reading the Korean culture borders
going appeals to order. For when say

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December seventeenth and began

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a pledge of allegiance. To the fire.

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Loving. Nation Under God
is it will be possible.

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To dispense with the
explanation to Jews who write

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a book well please. Mr Price
here. Mr Barr told Mr Martin

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your server Tim and Mr Running are
here at this point we'll speak over

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it really. Looked directly
reflect that he did the

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sparkles absent. We have.
No one to swear in.

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For we'll go to your fields which there is
none and that means we can drop down to

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resolution for adoption do you have

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a piece of new business
that come before. We have

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a new item my gender will have new business
but we can do new business but yeah

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that was the change to the suggestion
to the buy last. Night then we will

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do

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a new business for redress for adoption and
definitely is true that we have should

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be at your place

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a newly edited version
created in red. And then.

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You go through the training just absolutely
so the situation is is this we found

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ourselves well we work hard to make this
process as painless as possible for

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everybody involved and I in
conversations with peers learned of.

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Different processes that are
used in different townships.

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The process that we use currently is one
in which we have an appeal is heard

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there's a public hearing there's

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a strong vote that's held on the
evening of the appeal and then

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a month later we draft

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a resolution to be journalist by the board
thirty days later. That process is.

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Is long in that. The original
process starts when somebody.

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Applies for his only certificate
it gets denied they apply for

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a variance they get put on

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a docket this whole thing can take three
months from start to finish and I found

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a way that we can shrink that period of
time to make it easier for folks that want

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you know if you all are going to grant
the variance then they can. Get there is

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only significant get their voting permit
and get whatever project is that they're

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working on done quicker and that
process looks like this we would have

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a. An appeal it would be heard to be

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a public hearing and then at
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a straw vote you all would make

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a motion and that motion would be. Would
dispense with the action that would be

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your formal action there would be no more
resolutions but that would allow me to do

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then is the day after the hearing I could
issue there's only certificate and the

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successful appellant could be on their way
so the changes that are listed in red.

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Are are changes to the bylaws that
would allow this process to happen. A

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second item that was changed was.
Related to abstentions by board

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members and the idea is that if you
are going to participate in as

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a board member if you all are going to
participate in deliberations then at the end

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of the day at the end of the case. It
is rather incumbent upon you to make

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a decision and and vote yes or no. The
situation that we found ourselves in

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sometimes is we have a member
absent for example and there isn't

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a replacement and now we have four board
members it takes three affirmative votes

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to grant

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a variance if you have one person that
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person abstains it actually is

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a defacto no vote because
they're unable to grant there's

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a case on this and the case
says that you know members of

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a busy A's are elected or placed in this
case in positions of responsibility quote

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for the purpose of expressing an opinion
it is action and not an action that is

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that is the duty which they assume with the
at the office so it's still completely

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appropriate for remember to abstain but
they would just not participate in the

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deliberations they abstain at the beginning
and generally abstain because of

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a conflict of interest and.
I've been in. Tension. And so

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I'm just trying to make
sure that an applicant gets

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a fair shake and is entitled to an up or
down vote and little to that your opinion

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as to whether or not it. Very And so those
are those are the suggested changes and

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I'd be happy answer any questions can you
provide some clarity on the first part of

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the motion which was

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a motion shall be made pursuant to the
instruction above within thirty days of the

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final hearing of the people on the one.
That's what you're saying in that if you

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will you would have the ability to if you
wanted to to not make them the motion

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that day so if you wanted to you could
have and you've had this ability before

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labeling it you know you wouldn't table it
you would just close the public hearing

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and then not take action that evening and
then that would allow you to take action

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the next month if if circumstances you
know dictated that that would be the right

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thing to do or that was the will of the
board so this is giving the board the

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option Yes OK Now what on earth
made for a motion and no one made

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a motion that it just falls
during the next month. That does

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clear it up because I was looking pusing
from nature and I thought we were still

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have to wait

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a few days for them to do something. You
know you could you could still like the

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way I envision it is standard hearing you
know ninety nine percent of the cases are

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going to be public hearing deliberation
ocean but there may be an instance where it

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makes sense to to wait thirty and you know
another example of that would be since

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we're not doing resolutions anymore and if
we wanted to very finely crafted motion

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then it would allow us to get the temperature
of the board and then what I could do

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then is go back to Larry Barbier
and have him craft language or

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a motion that would be defensible
especially in cases where it's highly

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controversial and and maybe it's

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a denial and it's likely to be appealed and
we want to make sure that the language

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of the motion is very. Crafted very
specifically acting so you could say you know

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these are the deliberations this is how I
feel and then you could and then we could

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go back and get

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a good language for the motion like

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in the last paragraph this liberation

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that. Yeah.

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What every. Truck.

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Then what you're saying the last paragraph
is when we go in to prove our meeting

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there that's finalizing that's at no longer
can appeal the decision that has been

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made if we make

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a decision we could be of the appeal
date would begin with the motion but.

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It would in my conversations with Larry
with Mr Barbee air. And this actually goes

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to the point that Mr Martin raised in an
e-mail to the board related to the date of

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journalism and so the clock starts on the
ability to appeal when the motion is

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so. That's when but it would be formalized
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the minutes and that would be the record
moving forward if we had to look back and

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say sort of looking at

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a resolution we would look back
and see the minutes. I've got

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two comments one one procedural and one
substantive on the procedural this is

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directed both to Jeff and to the chair.
Since joining the board I really have made

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an effort to play nice I don't believe in
God meetings so in the future when I do

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send out e-mails that are substantive of
nature and make up I think constructive

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suggestions I would ask that the chair at
least acknowledge the e-mail and that you

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acknowledge even though you don't have to
respond to it but just tell me that you

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got it because I think the comp the email
that you would just alluded to I sent out

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over

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a week ago and I heard from no one not any
board member not the chair and I don't

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think that's appropriate I think I should
hear at least from the chair and from you

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in terms of saying whether the email
was right wrong or are subject to

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interpretation but I would ask that be the
case in the future and I will continue

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to play nice but in order to do that
that's the way I think I need to hear back

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from you guys I think that
if we're going to have

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a conversation about the merits of something
that is discussed in my group meeting

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it needs to be in an open meeting absolute
distinct Just tell me I got your email

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and it's under you know taken to Barbieri
but hearing nothing I frankly I don't

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know if you get the emails or not though
I think it's just I should get some

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acknowledgment that's
all I'm asking for not

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a substantive I think it would
be highly inappropriate to have

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a substantive online discussion on just
saying as I got your email point better

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POINT we'll talk about it whatever that's
all it does this sort of dialogue and

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it's not talking about specific case fall
in the sunshine law. Good question I

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don't know I don't know the exact answer
to that I just preferred not to have

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substantive conversations through you now
and I think that you're right there may

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be some wiggle room there because this is
less about her face and more about the

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internal workings of the board right but.
I just always err on the side of caution

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and I agree with that too that's why as I
wish some of our substantive discussions

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about other issues have been at the meeting
and that's why I resisted. The effort

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to that the military want to be to meet
with them on something which I thought was

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that that should be met upon which was
the whole issue of finding out about

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violations I'm not trying to but we're over
the whole past I just think that in the

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future you don't have to say yes you don't
have to say Good idea bad idea this time

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you got the email and leave it at that
that's all I just need to hear that you guys

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get the stuff that's all I'm saying on the
on the substantive issue. On the vote

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not to upstage. In fact if you read that
case which I assume you have it's not as

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you just stated a an abstention this is

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a defacto Yes under the common law in
Ohio and that case confirms it so if

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a member of the abstains
and in Ohio is basically

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a constructive Yes though there in fact
there is absolutely nothing wrong or would

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not change anything with an abstention
and there are times when I think it is

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important that

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a member have the ability to abstain even
when they participated in the discussions

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obviously if there's

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a conflict of interest they need to abstain
from participating in the discussions

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however. And I'll give you the example
that immediately comes to mind and that's

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the signage up on Culver and ave the high
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Iron Works silver been removed I did not
in that situation there was actually no

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reason why I couldn't participate so I did
not abstain from the discussion on the

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other hand I didn't feel comfortable
voting violation of that particular

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circumstance because in my opinion and it's
only my opinion. That person was being

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unfairly treated because they did the
right thing by filing the appeal whereas

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other notices

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a violation of been issued other people of
color an avenue and they just ignored us

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this person in my opinion rightly
or wrongly and I'm not looking for

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a substantive discussion about that all
again but rightly or wrongly I thought that

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they were being disadvantaged However.
They certainly were in violation of the

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ordinance but consequently of vote of no
by me would have indicated that I thought

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they were were not in violation of vote
of yes by me was not consistent with my

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conscience Consequently I abstained and
under Ohio law knowing full well that under

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Ohio law had there been

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a tie or had there been other people that
for whatever reason you needed to count

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my vote it would have been
counted as a yes but at least as

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a matter of principle as I stated in my
email to you I had the opportunity to

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abstain so. If need be you can check with
Marbury about that if you haven't read

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the case but that's what the cases I did
talk with Mr Barbier and we discussed the

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case and we discussed the putting in.
Language into the bylaws that would

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make an abstention

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a de facto yes and is legal opinion was he
didn't feel comfortable with that and I

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do that because the courts might change
their mind on that and that's it and I

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think

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a situation best left to the courts but the
My point is there's no need to address

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this issue that hasn't it has not in my
two years on the on the board it has not

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been an issue and it has only been one
instance where there's been an abstention if

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it had been an issue under our laws Mr
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been counted as

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a yes so why why roll over Iraq that we
don't need to roll over in my opinion our

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opinions differ my opinion it is an issue
and it could be an issue in the future

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and I believe that if somebody is going to
go through this process and they deserve

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a yes or

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a no vote and an extension is.
When you need three votes to pass

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an appeal and if there is someone
absent as I mentioned it's

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a serious disadvantage and and
that situation abstention as

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a yes under law. But not
under our bylaws No

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And I mean so we're saying great court
trumps our bylaws and the Supreme Court and

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that's what I wanted to make sure you
spin you specifically said that it's

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a defacto No it's in fact under the law
it defacto Yes and that would require the

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applicant to incur

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a significant amount of expense to fight
to file an appeal and then say that

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a in fact this is

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a denial Yes and it would it would just
require you saying the tally of the vote is

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read it two or two to two with one
abstention which under Ohio law is

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a yes that's all it requires I don't know
that I would do that I would say it's to

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tell you when you require two to two to
one and it requires three votes to pass

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well then I would. Then you should check
with Mr Barbera because then you're not

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following Ohio law but I have to. And our
conversations together have led us to

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suggest that should

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a board member to spin deliberations the
board members of the on and. On the Case

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and shall not abstain so you. Can you can
vote on that tonight I can but I will I

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will conclude let me just ask you one
question I will I will shut up and set up

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under Ohio law if I abstain is that

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a de facto yes or de facto No I'd have to
check with Larry but I recommend we defer

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any of this conversation until
we get an affirmative yes or

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a negative from Mr but that doesn't show
you can or you guys are free to read the

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case law and that doesn't change the
another part of the issue which is that if

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somebody comes here you know.
People or members of the B.C.

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Air elected to emplace in positions of
responsibility for the purpose of expressing

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an opinion action and not an action is

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a duty that this room of the office absolutely
expects that you all have an opinion

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and that you vote yes or no in this case
and I just placed my position I just gave

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a very concrete example of where you know
again I don't know why this is there are

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so many issues Jeff and there's so much of
an opportunity for raw postmarked there

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is not a desire on my part to make this
a cause celeb on the other hand make it

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a cause celeb we will because I think it's
ridiculous that you brought this issue

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up it's not necessary it has not come up
in the two years that about on the board

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and it just further exacerbates

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a situation that I don't think needs to
be dealt with thank you for your opinion

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you're welcome. Order
of the changes that are

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being suggested require action by the
board we won through in so doing

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a board to do for on
the apps dating issue.

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Just procedurally requires the bylaws
required for changes to the bylaws the issue

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to be presented to the and then at

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a subsequent meeting it would be voted
on so that gives an opportunity to have

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continued discussions
with with Mr Barbee air

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a move that we make the we adopt the changes
with the exception of the change about

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abstentions I'm not sure that

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a motion is in order just yet because it
can't happen that this meeting has to

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happen has more will happen in January
meeting or than I would I would make

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a formal request that Mr Barberry issue

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a response to my question and your
question is an abstention under Ohio law

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a defacto yes or

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a defacto no good thank
you. And this will become

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an agenda item in our journey where

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a meeting corrects. Thank you all for that

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discussion. Let's do adopt the
resolutions for adoption. And

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the first case. Two thousand
and fourteen dish twenty five.

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And it is WERE is Robert enjoy and the
Angeles two over the first two thousand and

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fourteen. Easy A two thousand and
fourteen dish twenty five with Korean

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contribution. Pursuant to Article three
point three point two is there any

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resolution seeking

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a variance as applied to property located
at seven two nine two two world would

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lane or in township. Therefore be it resolved
that by virtue of the foregoing good

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coring touch abortive does here by Granted
variance of Articles section ten point

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two point one bracket C.

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And ten point two point three brackets to
his own resolution subject the following

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conditions and those are one
through three. And I guess we do

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a roll call vote and that. It is one of the
common Yeah I think I do want to thank

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Becky. I just got these

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a septum. I didn't see this the second
was on the minutes and she did make the

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change. That I asked for because I wanted
to make it clear I want to go on the

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record to make clear that. The motion was
to prove this is an accessory structure

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and that we were not taking the
position that a carport is

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a garage for future cases but with
that statement I'm ready to vote.

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Mr Kelly. Smart yes Mr Brace.

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Straining or. Serve it yes.

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That passes. And then.
Is Easy A thousand and

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fourteen dash twenty six. Where is and
McBride on October tenth two thousand and

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fourteen filed an appeal or B.C.

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a Two thousand and fourteen to twenty
six of the Korean touch of B.Z.

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a Pursuant to Article three point three
point two zero zero resolution seeking

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a branch as applied to

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a property located at nine forty five
nine nine four five five in one four two

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seven Corine Avenue in county therefore
be resolved by virtue of the foregoing

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Korean cash or borders or any appeals to
us here by grant of variance of Article

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Section eight point three point one has
any resolution subject to Mission one two

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three. Then will do

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a roll call vote Mr KELLY
I Mr Martin No Mr Price.

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Mr running or I Mr better now.

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Next is. Two thousand and
fourteen dish twenty seven

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where is your bow on October fourteenth two
thousand and fourteen part of peel B.C.

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Eight to fourteen just by seventh grade
catch your borders or any appeals pursuant

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to Article three point three point
two zero zero resolution seeking

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a variance as applied to property located
at four zero one one West camp or road

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Corps in township Hamilton County therefore
great resolve that by virtue of the

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foregoing according township board is only
proposed as hereby granted variance of

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Article I Section ten point two
point one racket see it was

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a new resolution subject to the following
conditions as are one through four.

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We would do

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a roll call to police Mr Kelly
and state. To Martin Yes. Mr

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PRICE. Surrounding or. Mr victim yes.

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In the final resolution
final. Where is Brian

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Arnold on October seventeenth
appeal number B.Z.

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Eight to fourteen dish twenty eight going
to your borders only appeals to authority

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three point three point two
zero new resolution seeking

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a variance is applied to property located
nine four to seven corps and have no

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Korean patch of Hamilton County where as

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a board is considered all evidence properly
presented and if I buy into to deny the

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variance would result in necessary
hardships to the owner of the premises in

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question would not be in keeping with
zoning of the spirit of zoning resolution

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therefore be resolved by virtue of the
foregoing to Korean touch boarding as only

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appeals as here by Grant

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a variance. Calls the last section fifteen
point five point six between point by

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point eight bracket during resolution
object condition one two and three in the

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rain or little old woman
Miss with. Mr MARTIN Yes Mr

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Price. Mr running or. Mr Burton Yes.

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That will just. Have.
Unfinished business I've got.

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That's seeing. You Jeff but I do have
what I'd like to yes to boards and put on

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tonight I think has been extraordinary
example of what I would like to propose

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between our more more meetings there
are is going to be. An opportunity for

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discussion about zoning code or how it's
applied war where we're going to have

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issues that don't necessarily speak to

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a specific case since that would violate
site sign laws but would be an opportunity

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for

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a dialogue with the administration
about it's going issue and we can then

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only come to our public hearing move
through the cases with that background and

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have whatever unfinished but over partial
questions we have answered but we're more

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informed in the hearing can move
more quickly. And would love for

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a more open discussion about whatever's
owning issue or conflict might be present.

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Dissipating maybe one meeting every quarter
ever general zoning issues or zoning

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questions and that. But not case
specific by no means case specific but

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it's basically

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a work session. Just like some input on
that so we don't need do the work sessions

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in the public sphere and basically that's
going to. You're not violating I'd like

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to learn more stuff. Can you elaborate again
that and I don't want to restate what

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I said earlier but I did respond to
the suggestion over about a month

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a colon it in your back to me because I
do have and I I don't know if you've had

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a chance to think about the things I sent
you or not of the concerns that I say my

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my concern is the Sunshine Law right whether
this is going to be. Something that

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somebody is going to suggest that we
are or something we're going to have

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a stenographer there are we going to is
it going to be televised it's going to be

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on the record. Those are issues that I
that I did raise and that e-mail me and I

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hear back from you. Like
my thought of this is is

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a working session. There are
no motions made or rules

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passed but it is OP who declare
by things that may come up in

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a meeting of the meetings can move and
smooth way I don't think we need to make.

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I don't I don't see

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a need for that but I'm not
suggesting we I'm just trying to get

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a handle on what what you have in mind
that's OK I mean the whole administrative

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thing we're talking about tonight is I
don't think underneath would not violate

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such I love it makes us work more
efficiently. I mean I can see it as

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a great example of going back over some
cases that we've had in the past that you

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know hey why can't we bring this to the
zoning board so that they can change the

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law instead of us making a variance
for it I think this would be

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a good opportunity to discuss those types
of things. So for example your issue of

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what's carport. Mission. It's

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a good idea but I'm well aware of the
Clear Creek controversy and you know the

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existence of a Clear Creek is

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a clear creek that was sued rather
extensively for having meetings and they may

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have the name of the township on but it
was but it's been in the news recently

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where you know townships have been accused
of having meetings. Where substantive

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issues were discussed where the public was
not invited to or excluded from and I

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just don't want to set us up for that or
again the concept as I said in my email to

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the concept is a good idea but I think
we need to make sure that we don't run

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a foxhole of problems you know we've had
at least one workshop that I. Know isn't

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but we can't we I think when you and I
discussed when we talked about it briefly

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and the I mean we can't talk about any
cases that are pending at all back that's

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not being turned right on even though
that would be necessarily closed to any

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public who wants to come they were spending
time you know listening to your credit

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dialogue but. I don't see where it's
necessarily close but it would make

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a public meeting hopefully

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a process of the room with less but I did
question about. When it comes always

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finds it I find amusing how many
fast food restaurants do we need

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a corridor of that may not be pertinent
to the here but it certainly is an

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opportunity to talk about how many
restaurants that we meet or any of it. But.

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It wouldn't be germane to. Whoever
cards in next they don't care whether.

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The way. These a solution
might be just we have ties as

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a meeting and we the agenda is just working
session in this sort of matters and

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anybody wants to come in and I don't work
you know you have. Plenty of seating I

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wouldn't even see that we mean we could
do it or not to employ backroom but here

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tonight it's just

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a roundtable discussion about OK what.
What's going to bubble up and then we get

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a handle on people we get the beating as
long as it was last is Barbieri doesn't

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believe that were violating the
sunshine laws and. I think it's

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a good idea I just want to make sure that
we follow the law and if that's all I've

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said on the conversations not
results are revolving around

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a listing of future cases and not violating
which I don't like the workings of how

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. Bonior or as

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a matter of fact we have an opportunity
I don't believe we've been having cases

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where we've used to January meeting as

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a prototype pro-forma working session
and that's what I mean. But I.

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What we did tonight I think is

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a work of what you know I would hate to do
that but of people waiting to hear their

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cases but. That I would hate to do it bro
I mean big noise that work was set up

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here and listen put but it's really not
what stance but they want you can just go

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to your. I assume is an alternate
that I can even if you know we have

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a full house if you come in it just ain't
cut because it was going to venture up

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your defend task opportunity for me.
You know by the time that you're.

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Really doing much better I think I'm really
all kind to underline that I think what

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the country I would I would think that you'd
want to make sure that the alternates

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are invited and take note of the options
that don't show up because frankly there

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are

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a couple people that are alternates that I
saw the first of the swearing in two years

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ago and ever since and. It's

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a good opportunity for an alternate to
inforce their interest in being on there are

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so many questions I have for you guys
yeah but I just did I don't. Mean

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in Help me understand that. You
know we have the formal planning

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seminars that are put on Anderson Council
ever but this is more remain to.

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Ride OK Well I think that would if we
had no cases been January that would be

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the first roll out of just

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a discussion you know what is an issue
with us we may I think also be welcome to

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bring issues to happen as opposed to them
bringing this is buskers up to may have

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come up that we have an interest in. How
will that play out. I would do I would

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suggest separate January. And I think just

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a suggestion sounds good. We're going
to meet anyway and we can meet in the

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meantime but this gives us as to
work that out. Of my head any

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business is and. We haven't been
many minutes or correction.

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And. I highlighted. This at places.

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That there's any other. I just want my
request to Barbier you issue an opinion to

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make sure that Larry understands
what I'm looking for is

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a yes or no I don't want township
to spend one hundred dollars on

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a legal memorandum or three hundred dollars
and all you need to do. Is read that

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case I'm sure is read already and say yes
or no that's what I'm looking for I'm not

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looking for

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a legal memorandum but I am hoping that
this is I lived through that we can hear

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before the meeting so that you know we're
not coming to the meeting waiting to find

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out when Mr very decided we're three weeks
before that so if you could send us an

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e-mail saying this is Larry's opinion on
this yes or no and that's all I'm looking

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for that would be great. For us for

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a motion to prove the minutes. Of every
time he's meeting that we're not email but

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we're present at your place of the evening
as amended is amended Thank you. For

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that we do that. Motions We made his or
second I second the motion made second

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question very not all
in favor I Okey dokey.

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Mr B.-C.

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Rules and procedures we just did that
actually. Jumping on that sorry about that I

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thought was new is out here number Yeah all
right. German I do have an announcement

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to make yes yesterday at the trustees
meeting the trustees appointed two new

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members to the to the B.B.C.

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One being Mr Right in your been reappointed
we're really excited about that.

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Thank you for your certain other
hundred years. And there's

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a new alternate named Elisei Pilsen and
she will be joining us should be sworn in

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at the next meeting and
joining us I think should be

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a great addition her interview was phenomenal
and I think she'll be great but it's

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like. JOHN going to favor I
thank you all very much you're

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a Merry Christmas to. You.